Double-deck trains mean we don’t need HS2? Here’s the reality.

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I originally wrote this blog in response to some anti Hs2 nonsense back in November 2015. I’ve revised it now as it’s a useful look at the pros and cons of double-deck trains – especially in the UK as DD trains are one of the things opponents of Hs2 often say are a viable alternative.

How can double-deck trains fit in the UK?

The simple answer is – they can’t as things stand. The UK loading gauge on most routes simply precludes their use.  But this is not just the height of trains we’re talking about – it’s the length of the vehicles too. Let’s delve into a bit of history. When our Victorian network was built the railways ran short (30ft long) 4-wheel coaches. In fact, these were still being built right up to the end of the Victorian era. What this meant was the railways could get away with some tightly curved platforms and tracks as the coaches could fit around them.

DG07795. 455837.Clapham Jn. 4.10.06.

The picture above shows Clapham Junction now with a train of 19.83m long class 455 vehicles in platforms with a pretty fierce reverse curve. Fancy trying to fit longer vehicles in here without the horrendous rebuilding costs & disruption to the UK’s busiest station that would entail?

Gradually (to improve comfort & with the invention of the bogie) coaches got longer & some doubled in size to reach 60-62 foot long. The issue with this is (and always was) the overhang of the coaches on curves which governs how tight platforms & other infrastructure can be. For many years British Rail standardised on coaches that were 57 ft 0 in (17.37 m) or 63 ft 6 in (19.35 m). Eventually the Intercity fleet standardised on 23m long vehicles whilst commuter and local services used 20m long vehicles as the maximum that could fit many tight platforms.

Why does this matter to double deck trains? Simple – because of the amount of room taken up by stairwells and all the ancillary equipment that used to be slung beneath the underframe between the bogies (where the lower deck is on DD coaches) but now has to be fitted inside the bodyshell. Here’s a few examples.

DG124463. Interior. DPZ push-pull set. Innotrans 2012. Berlin. Germany. 19.9.12

DG124472. Interior. DPZ push-pull set. Innotrans 2012. Berlin. Germany. 19.9.12

FDG06906. 8652. Stairs. Amsterdam. Holland. 1.5.08

There’s no benefit on capacity of a double-deck 20m vehicle as the stairwells at either end take up so much room it cancels out the seats provided on the upper deck. A 23m vehicle will give you around 12-13% extra capacity. It’s only when you get into longer vehicle lengths that DD coaches make sense. But here’s the rub – those longer coaches won’t fit on much of the network. Not only that, but they would even be restricted on some lines they could because of the curvature on certain station platforms or tight curves where they’d foul adjacent lines. For example. SouthWest trains use 23m long Class 444s – but these were banned from platforms 1-4 at Waterloo (thus reducing the flexibility of the railway). Those platforms were recently rebuilt and lengthened at great expense and disruption.

Oh, and don’t even ask how much headroom you might have on the top deck. Even in Europe this can be quite tight. With the UK’s restricted loading gauge you’d be lucky to be able to stand upright if you were above 5’6″- hardly good when the average height is 5’9″ & will only increase over the next few decades!

So, what seems a simple idea proves to be increasingly complex when you look at the details – something the anti hs2 mob never do anyway. Put simply, the capacity to be gained from double-deck trains doesn’t make up for either the cost of adapting the network to make them fit or the reduction in operational flexibility (and thus track capacity). What you gain on the swings you lose on the roundabouts.

You could add 12-13% capacity to coaches at great expense, but reduce the overall capacity of the railway and find your gain is even less. But how much time does that 13% buy you? At the current rate of growth it’s less than a couple of years on some routes. At best it might be a decade on others. But at what cost? In 2005 Stagecoach carried out a study into running DD trains & found just the short bit between Waterloo and Clapham Junction would have cost almost £1 billion to convert for full-scale double deck trains (The Times, June 2005).

Then what?

Oh, and double-deck trains don’t add an ounce of track capacity – exactly the opposite in fact. You might be able to fit a few more people on the 08:10 from Euston to Birmingham, but the dwell time (the amount of time it takes to load/unload passengers) at intermediate stations is much longer for DD trains than normal ones, so the train that’s only a few minutes behind is rapidly catching up with you, leading to delays. If you want a reliable timetable you have to cut trains out of it, negating the whole point of the ‘extra’ capacity.

This is a serious ‘alternative’ to Hs2? Of course not. Hs2 is designed to take intercity trains off the classic network. DD trains don’t add any capacity to our lines, they simply allow a few more folks to get on existing services. besides, would you want to travel long-distance in one of these cramped vehicles?

It’s time the anti Hs2 mob stopped grasping at silly straws.

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Crazy (& obnoxious) anti hs2 campaigner of the week No15

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As the anti Hs2 campaign continues to implode and gets more desperate by the week it’s become harder to single out a single campaigner for the weekly award. Nowadays, crazy sums up their whole campaign.

That changed today when Peter Jones, the obnoxious and libelous Camden campaigner came out with something so utterly crass and blinkered that it takes your breath away.

Like many people, I’ve spent the past 12 hours watching with horror as the tragic events unfolded in Paris. This morning it became clear just how awful the scale of the terrorist attack had been. Along with people worldwide I was moved to show solidarity with Paris and the people caught up by displaying a symbol drawn up by a young man who then shared it on social media. That symbol has since gone viral. You can read about it here – although I’m sure many of you will have already seen it.

Enter Peter Jones, who posted this on Twitter this morning (hence my reply);

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Since then this has been retweeted by several other anti Hs2 campaigners. As their campaign’s collapsed cheap insults have become Jones’ and the anti hs2 mobs stock in trade. Typically, each time you think they couldn’t sink any lower they manage to dig another basement level. One can only hope that their increasingly extreme and unpleasant campaign isn’t digging basement levels but its own grave…

UPDATE:

To cement his title to the crown, Jones has added ambulance-chasing to his list of odious accomplishments. To compound French woes there has been a rail accident today. A high-speed test train has derailed on a yet to be opened TGV line, killing five of the technicians aboard. Jones triumphantly & sickly uses this incident in a crude attempt to scaremonger & smear high speed rail in general & Hs2 in particular, then pretends a 2014 incident in which a TER service hit a TGV was a second accident today!

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Note there’s not a single drop of sympathy anywhere for the dead and injured, or their families, just triumphalism. Jones and his fellow travellers in the anti Hs2 campaign are beneath contempt.

16 November UPDATE

Here’s proof (where any more needed) from this evening that Jones is a brass-necked hypocrite of the first water who has the cheek to accuse me of exploiting tragedy!

DD hypocrisy

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The anti Hs2 mob retreat into a bunker

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Just when it seemed the anti Hs2 campaign had hit a new low with their pear tree stunt they managed to pull yet another rabbit out of the hat – and this one is a stunner!

Here’s some background. A few years ago StopHs2 used to organise a national gathering of anti Hs2 groups at the Staffordshire showground. Here’s one of their press releases puffing the 2013 event. In those heady days they’d punt the event to all and sundry, sell tickets at £10 a pop and advertise “a huge range of speakers and stands”. The media would be invited and even a few MPs would attend. Here’s  the 2013 programme.

How things change! When the Hs2 Hybrid Bill passed 2nd reading with a stonking majority of 411 the light began to dawn. People were already dropping away and ‘action’ groups folding but the process accelerated. This led to the antis cancelling the 2014 gathering, scrapping any public demonstrations & increasingly taking refuge in social media.

And in 2015? There was complete radio silence about any planned event – until today – when this was slipped out in the Bucks Herald. Spot the difference. No media, no MPs, no tickets and no Staffs showground. It was all secret. There was no advertising of the event on any of their websites or anywhere else. Instead they had to be “hosted” by the Amersham group. How many turned up? No-one knows – because they refuse to say. There’s been no trumpeting of the “success” of the event on any of their websites – or on those of any of their dwindling number of supporters.

If any proof was needed that the anti Hs2 campaign’s dying – this is it – and they’ve supplied it themselves…

Oh, I do like to be beside the seaside…

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I’ve decamped to Brighton for a few days as my ‘other half’ has been seconded to the local Community Rail Partnership. As all I need is camera, laptop and internet connection I trotted along to keep her company.

Sadly, the weather isn’t up to much, being worthy of a Spike Jones “Hello Muddah, Hello Fadduh” type postcard rather than a glowing endorsement of the British seaside. Still, it’s great to be back down here again as it gives me the opportunity to do some exploring whilst researching some more station buffets and bars for a forthcoming magazine article. Of course, there’s chance for a few more rail and travel pictures too, which you can find on my Zenfolio website, in this gallery.

Pop back later to find out what I’ve been up to…

Bonkers, utterly bonkers…

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There are times when I look at the anti Hs2 campaign and the only thing I can say is ‘Bless’! Tonight is one of those times. It seems they’re cock a hoop at getting an old pear tree on the route of Hs2 elected “tree of the year” and mentioned on BBC’s Countryfile.

Wow!

Contrast this with the fact the Hs2 Hybrid Bill sailed through 2nd reading in Parliament with a cross-party majority of 411 – by far the biggest majority of any Parliamentary Bill during the Coalition Government.

A vote for a pear tree will Stop Hs2?

Rather than celebrating the anti Hs2 campaign should be looking in a mirror and saying to themselves “we’re reduced to this”? There’s naivety and desperation in equal measures here. Can you honestly imagine Parliament being reconvened for an emergency debate on the news, or the Dept of Transport burning the midnight oil to come up with a response?

A BBC article reveals all. “Cubbington’s pear tree was selected after attracting more than a third of 10,000 votes for the best tree in England.”

So, just over 3000 votes then. That’s neither a ringing endorsement of the pear tree – or the Stophs2 campaign, which has gone pear-shaped!

At death’s door: The latest look at the anti hs2 campaign

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I thought it was time to update my look at the state of the anti Hs2 campaign now the conference season’s over & it’s effectively the end of the campaigning year. I’ll kick off with the monthly social media ‘scores on the doors’, which are as follows.

Anti hs2 stats 7 Nov 15

The standards caveat applies. Not all followers are supporters, some are simply there to keep an eye out on what’s going on. Also, whilst percentages are interesting they should be read in conjunction with the actual numbers. After all, a 50% increase on sweet bugger all isn’t much to celebrate.

I have nearly 9 months data to draw on now which paints a distinctly desperate picture. The figures show that anti hs2 campaigners best efforts to attract attention have failed. There’s been no discernible bounce from the conference season with only a handful of new followers being attracted on Twitter – and even less on Facebook.

The person who’s done the best is the former Communications Director of the defunct group AGAHST, Deanne Dukhan. The irony is, she’s done this by dropping tweeting about Hs2! Despite the fact AGAHST has folded & she’s now irrelevant I’m keeping her in to provide an useful comparison.

The antis twitter campaign is continuing to implode. Neither of the two remaining ‘national’ groups are doing anything newsworthy so the volume of tweets has decreased. They’re reduced to being a retweeting service or moaning about Hs2 and railways in general. we’re seeing bugger all from the local ‘action’ groups for the same reason – nothing’s going on. What we are seeing more of is the lunatic fringe of the campaign although how a few folk ranting on Twitter is meant to convince anyone in the political arena to cancel hs2 is a mystery.

Their Facebook campaign is even more dire. It’s well worth viewing the Stophs2 Facebook page as it offers a window on the soul of their campaign. Their problem is, it’s a bit like taking a tour of Bedlam! What you’ll see is a rag-bag of Ukippers and (presumably) Daily Mail & Express readers convinced the UK is going to hell in a hand cart because no-one is listening to them. If anything, it shows why the anti Hs2 campaign was bound to fail. Here’s a few examples;

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Now, does anyone think this sounds like a coherent and credible campaign? Of course not. What it does illustrate is that using social media is a double-edged sword. As well as helping a campaign it can also expose its weaknesses to the world…

Hs2aa’s Facebook page is even more dire. It contains little other than links to tweets from other people and comments by the same serial ranters! As a campaigning tool it’s both useless and an embarrassment. To add to Hs2aa’s woes their website is (accidentally or deliberately) compromised by a virus that means anyone with suitable software is warned off visiting.

Meanwhile, what’s happening in the real world away from social media. For the anti Hs2 campaign the answer is – not a lot. Their campaign’s completely lost momentum. Hs2aa have yet another legal appeal to be heard in December, beyond that – there’s nothing. Stophs2’s calendar is completely bare. Joe Rukin has a solitary appearance booked in front of the Hs2 Petitioning Committee. After that he’s free to keep writing job applications.

Contrast all this with Hs2 Ltd’s increasingly busy diary filled with consultations, suppliers events, tenders etc – and the almost weekly uttering of support from Government Ministers & members of the opposition, plus events like this weeks National Rail Conference.

As we head into the festive season it’s clear there’s going to be little Christmas cheer for the anti hs2 campaign. They’re staring into the abyss now. I’m willing to predict that 2016 will see one (if not both) of their national groups fold when they can no longer fool themselves that they can stop Hs2.

The anti Hs2 mobs latest nasty little tactic?

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Having failed to make any impact in the real world the anti Hs2 mob have fallen back on the internet and their imaginary friends to try and “spread the word” in order to try and keep their dying campaign going.

Except it seems it’s not just the ‘word’ they’re spreading…

Here’s what happens when you have virus protection software and try to visit the Hs2 Action Alliance’s website!

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UPDATE:

It’s now the 1st December and the Hs2aa website still produces this message which rather says something about their lack of IT skills and access to them – or their ability to pay…

The fog.

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It’s been less dramatic than the James Herbert novel of the same name but there’s no doubt the foggy weather that’s dominated much of the country this week has caused a few problems – especially for the airports. On Monday 10% of Heathrow flights were cancelled. Other airports were hit too. Driving wasn’t much fun either as visibility was slashed across the motorway network, leading to concerns about safety.

In contrast, the railways carried on pretty much regardless. I took the train from Halifax to London on Monday & for many parts of the journey my 125mph service ran to time or early. The same picture was true across the network.

Sadly, the railways publicity departments haven’t capitalised on this at all. This may be because they’re not exactly short of passengers as it is – but even so. The opportunity to stress the benefits of rail travel shouldn’t be missed.

A message I’ve been trying to get across is the fog shows how modern railway systems aren’t bothered by fog. Hs2 will be a good example. It will rely on in-cab signalling systems rather than lineside signalling (aka lights on poles).

fog signal

The benefits of a frequent high-speed, high-capacity rail line between our major cities that’s immune to fog is something to celebrate. It’s also a rather good argument to ensure that Hs1 and Hs2 are eventually linked to allow pan-European travel.

DDRf becomes Rail Forum East Midlands

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Derby & Derbyshire Rail Forum has rebranded itself Rail Forum East Midlands. The ‘new’ organisation held a very successful Parliamentary reception in the House of Commons yesterday which was hosted by Pauline Latham MP and attended by numerous companies from across the East Midlands. These included representatives of major employers like Alstom, Bombardier & Hs2 Ltd as well as SMEs like RVEL, Delta Rail and Icomera.

Guests heard some very positive speeches from politicians too. First up was the Under Secretary of State for Transport Claire Perry. She was upbeat about future investment & expansion in the UK rail industry, leaving the feeling the Chancellor’s forthcoming spending review holds no concerns for rail.

DG233185. Claire Perry MP. Rail Forum East Midlands. London. 2.11.15.

Nottingham MP and Shadow Transport Secretary Lilian Greenwood spoke afterwards, praising the value of rail to the East Midlands economy. She gave no comfort to the anti Hs2 campaign when she mentioned Labour’s (and her) continuing support for building the line.

DG233210. Lilian Greenwood MP. Rail Forum East Midlands. London. 2.11.15.

The final speech was delivered by Transport Minister Patrick McLoughlin. He mentioned how once a Transport Minister mostly spoke about roads but now talks mostly about rail. But it wasn’t just talk. He also confirmed that Porterbrook leasing were to invest in another 20 four-car Class 387 trains from Bombardier in Derby. You can find Porterbrook’s press release on the deal here.

DG233256. Patrick McLoughlin MP. Rail Forum East Midlands. London. 2.11.15.

You can find a larger selection of pictures from the event by following this link.

London bound, again (despite the fog)…

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Having enjoyed an evening at home after a weekend in London with friends I’m heading back to the capital once more – this time for work. I’m at the Rail Forum (East Midlands) Parliamentary reception this afternoon. The Palace of Westminster is always a fascinating place to visit as it’s so rich in history and political power. Plus, events like this are normally a good time to catch up with people – and gossip.

Right now I’m sitting back in air conditioned luxury aboard one of Grand Central’s 125mph Adelante’s, sipping coffee & admiring the view from the window as we speed down the East Coast Mail Line. Well, what view there is as the countryside has been blanketed in fog since we started. Despite the fog we’re bowling along – unlike the airlines, who’ve had to cancel many flights, as the BBC reports here.

In contrast, the railways are unaffected. Here’s the running reports for services through Peterborough between 08:00-13:00 today – not a single cancellation reported. Needless to say this is a great advert for the railways & also Hs2…

Talking of Hs2 – On Thursday I’ll be at another important event: The National Rail Conference is maintaining its recent focus on Hs2 so it’s moved location to another crucial city on the route – Leeds. You can find the details of the event here. There’s an excellent line-up of speakers so I expect the event to be well-attended. There’s still time to book if you want to come along & hear the latest on this transformational project.

In between these events I’m looking forward to a few days at home. The new office at home is coming along but I’m desperate to have some time to get it more organised. Then there’s the backlog of paperwork to deal with before I decamp to the South once more. There’s going to be plenty to blog about in the next few weeks…